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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and i'm excited about

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tonight's show we got a great one for

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you

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uh it's james fox he's on he's going to

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be discussing his

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great new film and it's doing really

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well by the way we're going to be

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talking about that

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um and we're also going to talk about

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you know the struggles he had along the

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way you know

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behind the scenes some highlights um if

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you haven't bought the film yet

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um i highly suggest that you go to uh

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vimeo or itunes if you want the extras

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those are the only two places that you

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can get the extras of course the

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um it is available on other venues

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amazon and and uh apple tv

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and voodoo all those places um we are

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going to be taking calls

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last 20 minutes of this show now this is

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a little bit of a different

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night for those of you on youtube that

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join me each week

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we're going to be running the first show

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the first

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6 55 p.m eastern standard um

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so that'll be the end of this show then

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you youtubers you're going gonna have to

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jump over

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to the other one which is with uh

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charles learts on my youtube channel

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so just remember that starts at seven

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just a couple minutes later

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uh the other the other uh interviews so

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check that out we'll see you over there

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after this one

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and uh let's see i'm going to be helping

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out with a live stream tomorrow night

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for the scientific coalition for uap

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studies

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otherwise known as scu and that's with

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michael masters uh actually he's a great

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guy we've been uh talking

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um he's gonna be basically uh talking

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about his theory

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on that which is the the possible time

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travel ufo theory

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really interesting i'm wondering if uh

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people are watching it's happening right

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go so far out and actually do a tag grab

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on an asteroid and come back just

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our latest blog by charles lear

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second part of the show tonight

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but the blog is called asparagus

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creatures of the ufo

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it's a really weird incident about a

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plane that crashes

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and it ends up you know it's a hoax

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what that theory is but anyway um

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you have to check out that blog it's

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great and he is doing the audio blogs

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each week a lot of people are loving

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that listens

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and uh let's get right into our show

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tonight with james welcome james

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thank you for having me on i was just

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remembering the last time

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or actually like the first time you had

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looked like i'd been uh

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yeah that was great that was in phoenix

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that's i read some comments and they're

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like boy he's looking awfully tired

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and you're tired because you're you're

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one of the hardest working people i know

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i mean really i mean you know i'm i'm

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but that film took the wing the wind out

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of my sails

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and uh before we went live you were

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can you talk about that uh it's it's

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i'll leave it at that like it's breaking

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to thank um but it was uh

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to say it was a monumental effort would

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be a the world's biggest understatement

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it was nearly impossible to get the film

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and they always say you know they have a

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something comes along and it kind of

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like changes something

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and then it changes again and then by

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the time they get done

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it was really not what they envisioned

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liked it much better than what they

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envisioned is that kind of what happened

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no no no okay

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no i i set out look remember this is my

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fourth and a half film

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on the subject of ufos where i did 50

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years of denial for discovery channel or

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i sold the discovery channel that i did

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the blue which was another two two and a

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of production that i did i know what i

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objective has been the same

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objective since day one 26 years ago and

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community and so it's a very difficult

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2017 new york times story

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that broke the secret pentagon ufo

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yeah changed everything yeah i mean that

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the midst of of you working on this

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yeah so did you have to change direction

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mellon into the picture

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no no and so back let me back up

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i wanted to work with lee spiegel for

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just got along with the guy i just

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working with i mean i'm so jealous that

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he got to work there he is yeah

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post and just a really nice guy

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we got along really well but he wasn't

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dr valet actually briefed senator harry

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luella zondo and senator reed and et

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cetera

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um and both lee

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all instrumental in helping

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you know i know it started out as 701

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and then people were

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you know you sort of doing like the 701

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you know blue book um unexplained

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and then it kind of changed from there

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um but were there were there i know you

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had a lot of struggles you've mentioned

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that you know all the way through

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money's always very difficult for anyone

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creating a film

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um you know you just get to the point

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where you start putting your own money

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in and it's like ah

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you know is was that a tough thing to

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keep i mean you did this for such a long

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time

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was that let me let me tell you how many

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[Laughter]

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getting back to 701 um

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it was never our intention to do a

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profile on project blue book

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the reason why we chose

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we decided to choose that particular

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name with some of my old partners was

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what the number symbolized and that is

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that stubborn

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18 cases investigated by project blue

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701 remained unexplained after

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scientific you know

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investigation so it's that

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that number represents that stubborn

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or 12 of of ufo reports

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that truly appear to defy a terrestrial

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of and that's why we chose that number

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it wasn't like

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obviously we're going to feature a few

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cases as part of part of project blue

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book but it wasn't about

286
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project blue book per se yeah now a few

287
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people have

288
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you know i get a lot of email um and i

289
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think i had one forwarded to you from

290
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japan

291
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uh yesterday i i don't know if you got

292
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that lee i

293
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sent it to lee to send on to you um that

294
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they're just love

295
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love love love the movie um then i've

296
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you know of course like you

297
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always hear you know someone will say ah

298
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you know it's nothing new

299
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and then i said wait a minute there's a

300
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lot new in this

301
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uh and i wrote him um you know i mean

302
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for instance the radar

303
00:11:43,030 --> 00:11:40,800
of uh the reynoldshim forest those guys

304
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had never heard them talk before

305
00:11:47,030 --> 00:11:45,040
and then i named a bunch of other ones

306
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i'm not remembering them all right now

307
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but

308
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there are a lot of new things that uh

309
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have never been shown before in my

310
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opinion and i also want to talk to you

311
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about a document but

312
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do you can you just go through some of

313
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the things that are new for the person

314
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hasn't

315
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you know yeah so look

316
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you can't cover history without covering

317
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ufo history okay so the history is what

318
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it is i can't change that

319
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and we found it look if if we were gonna

320
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do our job

321
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and truly transcend which is what this

322
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film is doing right now which is

323
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remarkable

324
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transcend the ufo community the average

325
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joe

326
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isn't going to have any more knowledge

327
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than maybe roswell and area 51 so we

328
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we had to cover yes the history section

329
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i hired

330
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my sister kelly who's actually a nurse

331
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and she was in between jobs she's been

332
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wonderful

333
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i've heard to go after go after as a

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full-time job

335
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archival material in fact there were a

336
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lot of us going after archival material

337
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for several years

338
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and we had a budget and we give an

339
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example

340
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we we uncovered never before seen

341
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footage of the 1990

342
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it's sorry 1978 united nations okay

343
00:13:04,949 --> 00:13:03,200
that lee spiegel had organized was

344
00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:04,959
jacques fellain never seen anything

345
00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:06,560
lee spiegel had never seen any video

346
00:13:10,870 --> 00:13:08,800
footage nobody had we

347
00:13:12,629 --> 00:13:10,880
were the first ones to uncover that

348
00:13:15,190 --> 00:13:12,639
thanks to tom tulian

349
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we uncovered interviews from i'm sure

350
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people have heard about the national

351
00:13:20,870 --> 00:13:19,279
uh william nash and fortenberry case

352
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1952

353
00:13:26,550 --> 00:13:23,920
what we have we have uh nash

354
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uh sorry william nash on camera for the

355
00:13:29,269 --> 00:13:28,079
first time nobody's seen that richard

356
00:13:31,590 --> 00:13:29,279
dolan everyone was like

357
00:13:32,389 --> 00:13:31,600
where did you find that interview yeah

358
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you know

359
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uh the guy in the radar room the night

360
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of the

361
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building and white house being buzzed

362
00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:44,959
52 thank you you know al chop

363
00:13:48,230 --> 00:13:47,360
hearing his testimony of listening to

364
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the pilot

365
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who was scrambled to intercept the ufos

366
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over the capitol

367
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traveling at roughly 600 miles an hour

368
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in the pure black

369
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darkness suddenly finding himself

370
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surrounded by ufos

371
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and hearing a first-hand witness in the

372
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radar room listening to the cockpit

373
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voice

374
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:06,959
of the pilot that's amazing

375
00:14:11,110 --> 00:14:09,519
you know go back to kenneth arnold who's

376
00:14:11,829 --> 00:14:11,120
seen an interview with his daughter came

377
00:14:15,670 --> 00:14:11,839
on

378
00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:15,680
camera somebody had never seen yeah that

379
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:16,720
she's done

380
00:14:20,069 --> 00:14:18,560
yeah i mean that picture was sent to

381
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kenneth arnold

382
00:14:25,990 --> 00:14:23,120
of that uh phoenix picture of the

383
00:14:27,750 --> 00:14:26,000
look just like what he drew out you know

384
00:14:29,910 --> 00:14:27,760
very interesting

385
00:14:31,829 --> 00:14:29,920
the rue zimbabwe case seeing that then

386
00:14:34,150 --> 00:14:31,839
the children as adults

387
00:14:34,949 --> 00:14:34,160
the the school teacher that never came

388
00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:34,959
forward right

389
00:14:40,069 --> 00:14:38,160
you know look at the 1966 west all ufo

390
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:40,079
incident having the the teacher for the

391
00:14:43,269 --> 00:14:42,320
teacher the guy who probably took a

392
00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:43,279
photograph of it

393
00:14:47,189 --> 00:14:45,199
two days earlier he's never been on

394
00:14:50,629 --> 00:14:47,199
camera oh i want to talk about that

395
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:50,639
this is a this is an image yeah i just

396
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:52,959
think that and you saw this you held

397
00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:54,079
this in your own hand

398
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:56,399
i had an original polaroid in my it's a

399
00:15:00,310 --> 00:14:57,279
polaroid

400
00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:00,320
yes sir that is to me james what do you

401
00:15:02,790 --> 00:15:02,160
think i think that's the best ufo

402
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,800
picture

403
00:15:06,389 --> 00:15:04,959
there is it's it's one of the one of the

404
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:06,399
greatest you've got to be

405
00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:09,440
yes it's very that is so clear and

406
00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:12,320
you know there are have been some rumors

407
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,959
that

408
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,160
first of all it's the first time he's

409
00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:16,079
ever gone on camera and ever produced

410
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:17,920
the photo the original polaroid on

411
00:15:21,030 --> 00:15:18,959
camera ever

412
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:21,040
okay so that was a whole story i could

413
00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:22,800
bore your audience to death with

414
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:25,440
about how that came about but it did

415
00:15:29,189 --> 00:15:26,160
this man

416
00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:29,199
has avoided publicity avoided interviews

417
00:15:32,949 --> 00:15:31,600
avoided any contact with anybody

418
00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:32,959
regarding this incident since it

419
00:15:35,990 --> 00:15:33,600
happened

420
00:15:37,829 --> 00:15:36,000
over 50 plus years ago so he's not out

421
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:37,839
there trying to sell his story

422
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,959
or make anything public exactly the

423
00:15:46,629 --> 00:15:42,720
opposite is true

424
00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:46,639
that man recounted for me

425
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:49,120
on camera and i got to hold the the

426
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,880
original polaroid which he kept keeps

427
00:15:55,110 --> 00:15:52,480
involved in his house

428
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:55,120
um the incident as though it happened

429
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:56,240
yesterday

430
00:16:00,629 --> 00:15:59,920
wow the school professor who will remain

431
00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:00,639
nameless

432
00:16:06,310 --> 00:16:03,920
from westall the science teacher he

433
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:06,320
spoke of the incident and why he hasn't

434
00:16:10,870 --> 00:16:08,320
come forward in 50 plus years

435
00:16:12,550 --> 00:16:10,880
as though it happened yesterday there

436
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:12,560
they recounted

437
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:15,839
the incident in vivid detail

438
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:18,480
um staggering stuff look nobody's seen

439
00:16:21,509 --> 00:16:20,079
those you might have heard about that

440
00:16:22,230 --> 00:16:21,519
those cases and there was a film done

441
00:16:23,910 --> 00:16:22,240
about it but

442
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:23,920
there are aspects of it that has not

443
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:26,399
been covered aspects of historical stuff

444
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:28,160
that no one's ever seen so

445
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:30,480
look i can't change history if you're

446
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:32,000
going to do a snapshot of

447
00:16:36,069 --> 00:16:34,639
ufo history it is what it is but you put

448
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:36,079
a lot of new

449
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:37,920
testimonials archival footage

450
00:16:41,910 --> 00:16:39,839
photographs newsreel

451
00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,920
material from the likes of david

452
00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:43,440
marlar's archive

453
00:16:46,870 --> 00:16:45,920
um there's lots and lots of wonderful

454
00:16:50,069 --> 00:16:46,880
new

455
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,079
angles on on older cases i i agree

456
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:52,399
i agree and getting back this is called

457
00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:54,639
the ball win i believe

458
00:17:00,629 --> 00:16:58,079
yes with ballwin um when you interviewed

459
00:17:01,670 --> 00:17:00,639
that gentleman he mentioned something

460
00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:01,680
that really struck

461
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:03,920
accord with me because he said that he

462
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,280
was visited

463
00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:08,000
by two people and they showed him a book

464
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:08,319
with

465
00:17:12,630 --> 00:17:11,199
photos of ufos the same thing happened

466
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:12,640
in florida

467
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:17,360
in the 19 late 1950s early 1960s to a

468
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:18,480
person that i had

469
00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:20,000
on the show that's totally out of the

470
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:22,160
ufo circuit they came in they brought a

471
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:22,799
book

472
00:17:27,029 --> 00:17:25,919
pictures with them and then i think they

473
00:17:29,190 --> 00:17:27,039
even ran a film

474
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:29,200
on on a screen in his house he was just

475
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:30,480
a little kid

476
00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:32,080
and his mother was in the other room it

477
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:34,160
was really bizarre

478
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:37,840
zamora 1964 police officers from socorro

479
00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:40,480
new mexico said exactly the same thing

480
00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:43,600
oh really the book and all that yep

481
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,039
all of that wow yeah now

482
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,360
let me ask you this was there you know

483
00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:51,280
you're squeezing all this stuff into a

484
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:53,039
film was there a lot of stuff you just

485
00:17:56,310 --> 00:17:54,400
had to cut

486
00:17:58,549 --> 00:17:56,320
you know you just couldn't you couldn't

487
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,559
make it it couldn't make the film

488
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:01,280
ninety percent yeah people don't ever

489
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:02,799
realize that i'm sure that always

490
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,000
happens

491
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:06,320
yeah i mean there was there was a point

492
00:18:09,830 --> 00:18:07,280
where

493
00:18:11,110 --> 00:18:09,840
uh my writing partner and and uh editing

494
00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:11,120
partner i had a number of editing

495
00:18:13,190 --> 00:18:12,400
partners but writing partner mark

496
00:18:15,029 --> 00:18:13,200
barrish

497
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,039
who was very instrumental in stitching

498
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,280
this and creating a powerful narrative

499
00:18:20,230 --> 00:18:18,880
and he said james you know what time it

500
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,240
is don't you and i said what what time

501
00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:21,840
is it mark he said time to kill your

502
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:22,880
darlings

503
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:26,000
when the film was way long like i

504
00:18:32,549 --> 00:18:30,000
literally remember in the timeline

505
00:18:33,990 --> 00:18:32,559
in the edit room we trimmed things down

506
00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:34,000
and that was fine but there was one

507
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:35,600
section in particular it was like 15

508
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,400
20 minutes and i knew it had to go but i

509
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:40,799
was so emotionally attached to it

510
00:18:44,310 --> 00:18:43,520
i had to close my eyes and hit the

511
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:44,320
delete button

512
00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:47,919
and when i did so it was like oh

513
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:49,840
like i hit the delete it was like

514
00:18:55,350 --> 00:18:51,919
somebody punched me in the solar plexus

515
00:18:58,630 --> 00:18:55,360
because i spent so much time

516
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:58,640
gathering those you know interviews and

517
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,240
editing the thing together and writing

518
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:02,160
the narration and all that stuff and

519
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:02,480
just

520
00:19:08,549 --> 00:19:06,080
poof gone i mean i went to south america

521
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,559
to investigate the virginia case

522
00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,880
it's one of my it's a wonderful case the

523
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:13,039
1996 ufo landing case it's like the

524
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:13,919
equivalent

525
00:19:18,630 --> 00:19:16,960
of the roswell of brazil i went there

526
00:19:20,470 --> 00:19:18,640
four times i worked so

527
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,480
hard on that case chasing witnesses

528
00:19:25,669 --> 00:19:22,799
around knocking on random doors

529
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,679
going down into the the the the local

530
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,200
town square and literally going from

531
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:29,919
bench to bench

532
00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:32,640
one of the uh audio engineers that was

533
00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:34,400
from sao paulo was looking at me like i

534
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,919
was some crazy american like what are

535
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,360
you doing you can't just knock on doors

536
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,400
and talk to random

537
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:40,160
strangers but we did and we had amazing

538
00:19:43,430 --> 00:19:41,840
results not one

539
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:43,440
second of that case ended up in the

540
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,960
movie

541
00:19:49,029 --> 00:19:47,679
wow wow and then on the other way around

542
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:49,039
did you ever have

543
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,480
like something like go really terribly

544
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,480
wrong but ended up being a blessing in a

545
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,679
way

546
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:58,080
oh god are you kidding me

547
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:01,600
[Laughter]

548
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,950
i have i mean i mean where do i start i

549
00:20:12,149 --> 00:20:09,760
mean i

550
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:12,159
i just about everything that could go

551
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:13,280
wrong went wrong

552
00:20:16,870 --> 00:20:15,520
sometimes for the better and sometimes

553
00:20:20,070 --> 00:20:16,880
for the worse but

554
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,080
at the end of the day we

555
00:20:25,029 --> 00:20:23,200
got it done and it and i feel

556
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:25,039
very confident as i'm sure most of you

557
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,799
out there that have seen it

558
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:28,880
will will it will agree with it it's

559
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:30,960
it's a it's a

560
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:33,600
it's a wonderful piece and uh and the

561
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,080
birthing

562
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:36,799
process was was immense and uh

563
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,000
incredibly challenging

564
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:40,640
and um but look the end result we're so

565
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,679
happy

566
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,280
with with that it's out in the world and

567
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,120
then it's been beautifully received and

568
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:48,159
and uh that we made our contribution

569
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:51,600
right that's awesome now what about um

570
00:20:56,310 --> 00:20:54,799
harry reid was he hard to get to

571
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:56,320
get him to sit down and get an interview

572
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:57,919
with him was he a tough one

573
00:21:05,830 --> 00:21:02,159
oh my god george knapp

574
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:05,840
george knapp george knapp

575
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:08,880
thank you he spent

576
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,559
uh months

577
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:15,120
months i don't know four months maybe

578
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:16,080
and then

579
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:20,559
we had this incredibly small window

580
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,320
and um literally he was diagnosed with

581
00:21:28,149 --> 00:21:26,400
pancreatic cancer like days after the

582
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:28,159
interview so we had a very

583
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:32,240
narrow window where everything lined up

584
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,240
and we got it and it was um

585
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,400
it was a major major boom as you can

586
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,919
imagine and it was one of those

587
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:41,120
there's only been a handful of

588
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:43,280
interviews in my career where

589
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,559
i'm sitting down at looking

590
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,799
almost as a bystander at the situation

591
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,240
and thinking you know

592
00:21:54,149 --> 00:21:51,840
can i just pinch myself right now

593
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,159
because am i really here doing this

594
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,280
this is amazing and i'm i'm so i'm so

595
00:22:00,630 --> 00:22:00,000
privileged and such an honor to have

596
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:00,640
that

597
00:22:07,270 --> 00:22:05,440
you know we made the most of it i

598
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:07,280
certainly think we did well

599
00:22:11,110 --> 00:22:09,760
um that statement he made was pretty

600
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,120
incredible

601
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:13,039
that you asked them about the light of

602
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:15,919
have these things seen the light of day

603
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:19,120
yeah well you know look it's what we've

604
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,480
all known

605
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,960
right for decades well anyone who's

606
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:25,120
looked into the ufo phenomena knows

607
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:27,200
story after story about military guys

608
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,159
handing over

609
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,080
you know evidence photographic whatever

610
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:31,520
it is radar

611
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,200
um sometimes metal samples

612
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,240
uh never never to see the light of day

613
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:39,919
right i mean if i had a dime for every

614
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:41,919
time i've heard that story

615
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:46,240
so to have

616
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:49,200
him someone of his stature some of his

617
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:50,400
credentials

618
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,840
confirm that on camera was just a that

619
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,080
was a bombshell moment for me

620
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:59,679
and and for the rest of us i wasn't sure

621
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:02,080
how far i could push his comfort level i

622
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:03,039
really didn't know

623
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:06,159
you know and i was um

624
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:07,679
and i didn't really want to find out i

625
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:10,080
didn't worry about

626
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,480
uh maybe going beyond his comfort level

627
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:13,760
and either him

628
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,640
terminating the interview or you know

629
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,159
look i had to get him to approve

630
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:20,240
his participation in the film already

631
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,640
that was wearing me for two years

632
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,240
he would be associated with a film that

633
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,919
deals the landing in africa and

634
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,159
alleged occupants get out and interact

635
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,679
telepathically with like nearly a

636
00:23:32,710 --> 00:23:31,039
hundred school children

637
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:32,720
yeah i mean think about that for a

638
00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:35,120
moment i mean he's gonna be associated

639
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,080
with a film like that that

640
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:39,520
had me how many sleepless nights

641
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:42,640
um so we had to be very uh

642
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:45,440
very very careful on how we presented

643
00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:46,480
all this evidence

644
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:49,120
and testimony and and i didn't want to

645
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,080
push his comfort

646
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:53,039
level too his comfort level was pushed

647
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:53,919
in the

648
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:56,400
last new york times article i'm sure you

649
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,279
saw that

650
00:24:01,669 --> 00:24:00,559
yeah a bit upset that uh and kind of

651
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,679
denied

652
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:04,400
saying some things that were he

653
00:24:09,909 --> 00:24:06,159
supposedly said

654
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:09,919
yeah and you know the phenomenon deals

655
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,600
with roswell

656
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:14,240
that was another you know thing that

657
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:15,840
worried me a little bit i mean roswell's

658
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:17,679
a bit of a hot potato issue right

659
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:20,159
a lot of controversy a lot of you know

660
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,440
controversial

661
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:23,840
you know testimony over the years i

662
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:25,520
remember when jacques valet was sitting

663
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:25,919
these

664
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,760
marathon edit sessions in this little

665
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:31,679
hut that i'm sure lee spiegel will tell

666
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:33,679
you about that had no running water

667
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,120
no toilet no internet the tree no yeah

668
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,880
the tree and the dogs it was pretty

669
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:40,720
barbaric you know i remember

670
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,200
i survived however

671
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,520
leave saying i gotta i gotta go use the

672
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:48,720
bathroom you know

673
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:50,080
there's this moment he walks out the

674
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:55,830
lee comes back with like almost like his

675
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:56,960
clothes are ripped off

676
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,950
oh man what we went through and lee

677
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:06,320
looking at me and he was like

678
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:10,159
i can't do this i need i need civility i

679
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:13,440
need like a refrigerator i need some

680
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:16,640
some running water it was really funny

681
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:19,520
but um sorry i i got off the topic a

682
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:19,840
little

683
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:22,080
for a moment there oh no that's that's

684
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,960
good um

685
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,320
since we're off topic i just wanted to

686
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,320
show this uh this comment

687
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:29,200
and uh because about what important

688
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:31,200
contributions did stan freeman give to

689
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,559
the field of ufology

690
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,159
and i want to say that you dedicated

691
00:25:40,470 --> 00:25:36,480
this film to him i did

692
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:40,480
i did you know um stanton was very

693
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,400
excited about this project

694
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:44,640
he had sent me constantly sending me

695
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:45,760
memos and

696
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:49,039
and ideas and where to stay focused on

697
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,840
certain

698
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:52,400
issues he was very excited about the

699
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:53,039
project i

700
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,039
interviewed god i interviewed him in the

701
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,039
jungle of brazil

702
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,240
and like wow yeah and i you know

703
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,200
i people get i've heard this from a lot

704
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,880
of researchers well james interviewed me

705
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:06,159
and i didn't make it in the movie it's

706
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,799
like

707
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,640
do you think i want to deliberately cut

708
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:10,240
people out of the film i didn't want to

709
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:11,279
do that

710
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:15,360
even yeah kevin randle don schmidt

711
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:18,080
all these story must grave i saw dory

712
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:18,960
musgrave

713
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,240
like uh interviews with with with

714
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:25,279
renowned researchers in australia south

715
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,559
america

716
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,559
like you know i mean the list goes on

717
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,880
and on i had to make some really brutal

718
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:32,320
decisions

719
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,080
and it was not easy and keeping stanton

720
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,320
out of the movie was horrible process

721
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,679
for me i didn't

722
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,400
it wasn't like an intentional you know

723
00:26:45,269 --> 00:26:43,919
thing like hey i'm gonna cut these guys

724
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,279
these people out it was like

725
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,799
i had to make really tough decisions we

726
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,400
had a very limited time

727
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:50,880
to present and i had to do what i felt

728
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:52,400
was best for the movie

729
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,960
yeah you know and i had to cut it down

730
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,400
and so

731
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,559
but i did dedicate the film to stanton

732
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,159
and i mean

733
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:01,840
what contributions has he made i mean

734
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,000
what contributions hasn't he made

735
00:27:07,029 --> 00:27:06,320
would be my question yeah yeah

736
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:07,039
absolutely

737
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:11,279
right thank you stan thank you stanton

738
00:27:18,630 --> 00:27:15,039
yeah i miss him yeah um

739
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,640
well uh so when you're doing this film

740
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,640
you you traveled to so many different

741
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:21,919
countries can you just

742
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,760
give us kind of a run-through of how

743
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:25,919
many different countries there were

744
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:28,799
yeah i i went to uh well for this

745
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,120
particular film i went to china

746
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:34,240
i mean look i said i spent probably the

747
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:35,679
better part of a month

748
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,200
traveling all across china on two

749
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,200
separate occasions wow

750
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:40,720
you know how much material ended up in

751
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:42,640
the movie

752
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:45,279
less less than a minute yeah i remember

753
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:46,080
that

754
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:47,919
it's very short you're right yeah

755
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,520
australian translator

756
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,799
yes it's a month in australia uh south

757
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:54,880
america four times

758
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,720
africa um all across the united all

759
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:00,840
across the united states

760
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,720
um you know i if i had the time and the

761
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,440
resources

762
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:07,440
i might have done a five-part

763
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:08,559
mini-series

764
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,919
but created a 95-96 97-minute film

765
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:14,559
to hold the public's attention and deal

766
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,960
with

767
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:17,360
you know for the first time in my career

768
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:19,279
close encounters of the third kind

769
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:22,159
that's a slippery slope that's like you

770
00:28:24,630 --> 00:28:22,480
know

771
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,640
think about it i'm associating all these

772
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:26,559
government and military officials

773
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:29,200
with close encounters with crashed ufos

774
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,240
i mean

775
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:33,039
man that was those things kept me up at

776
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,840
night

777
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,919
how are we going to pull this off how am

778
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:37,679
i going to

779
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:46,310
a credible film on

780
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,080
you know alleged ufo encounters with b

781
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,080
i mean with with witnesses with beans i

782
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:53,919
mean yeah

783
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,200
you know so um

784
00:29:03,830 --> 00:28:58,720
jacques would jokingly say in the back

785
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,269
yeah don't interject your no conjecture

786
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,880
or speculation

787
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,960
no like oh they're from here or they're

788
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,159
from there none of that

789
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,640
obviously that's nothing that's nothing

790
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,480
that we ever wanted to do anyway but

791
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,960
um we felt that it's very important to

792
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,080
keep our

793
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,360
our personal uh you know viewpoints out

794
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:24,960
of it that's that's not what this is

795
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:26,320
about

796
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:29,600
now if this film came out and prior to

797
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:30,320
the

798
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:36,960
times

799
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:39,600
if that article never came out do you

800
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,080
think

801
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,080
that this film wouldn't get the

802
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:43,760
attention it's getting today

803
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:46,880
no question about it no no no that was

804
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:47,440
that was

805
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,799
i tip my hat to christopher mellon and

806
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:54,799
lou elizondo and the others

807
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,159
that uh that that um

808
00:30:01,269 --> 00:30:00,720
you know what ttsa i know there's lots

809
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,279
of

810
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,360
controversy swirling around but hey man

811
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:05,120
those guys made history

812
00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,360
yeah like it or not that was uh that was

813
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,799
a major coup

814
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,720
um and christopher mellon was

815
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:12,240
instrumental in making that happen i

816
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,640
mean

817
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:15,360
look at leslie kane and rob blumenthal

818
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:16,559
yeah

819
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,159
that was uh a historical moment and and

820
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,080
we happen to be obviously as you know

821
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:24,080
for about four and a half years in

822
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:28,640
right place right time you know and uh

823
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:30,880
it's funny actually because i i've said

824
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,279
this on a couple of other interviews but

825
00:30:38,389 --> 00:30:36,559
with my first film 50 years of denial uh

826
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:38,399
when we were probably six months out

827
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,279
from completing the film for discovery

828
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,799
uh the 50th anniversary of roswell broke

829
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:46,880
right and he had the likes of colonel

830
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:47,840
corso and some

831
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,279
but it got a lot of attention and

832
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,919
whether you believed corso or not

833
00:30:55,029 --> 00:30:53,360
it was catapulted in the limelight

834
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:55,039
everyone was covering it and we happened

835
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,760
to be there

836
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:58,000
for that and that that was a story that

837
00:31:02,830 --> 00:30:59,200
helped end the movie

838
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:02,840
and when we were doing out of the blue

839
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,679
um uh we had story big stories break

840
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:06,640
there

841
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:08,480
um especially with the second version

842
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,559
the directors cut it out of the blue

843
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,600
um and uh

844
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:15,440
trying to think the the site deciding

845
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:18,640
over um phoenix the phoenix lights case

846
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,600
um breaking the story with governor five

847
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:22,720
simonton that kind of

848
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,760
kind of pulled the things back in the

849
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,760
limelight and then when we were

850
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:28,480
making i know what i saw that major case

851
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:30,799
blew open in texas in stephenville texas

852
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,120
that got a lot of publicity so for and

853
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,760
then the 2006 o'hare incident

854
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:37,440
and when we were making this film i

855
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,720
would jokingly say you know because

856
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,919
people say well how are you going to end

857
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,320
it

858
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,559
i'd say well i don't know pigs and

859
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,760
valleys

860
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,200
different interests i'm sure a story

861
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,440
will break exciting of sorts

862
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,120
but i had no idea it was going to be you

863
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,960
know secret ufo pentagon program in the

864
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:52,960
front page of the new york times

865
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,159
that was a major major boon for us yeah

866
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,159
and uh and it changed the climate

867
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:59,440
forever i think

868
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,279
i i think so too i've said on this show

869
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,559
a number of times i've

870
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,320
you know my real world is i'm a fine

871
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,679
arts appraiser and i've

872
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,320
always been nervous about mentioning

873
00:32:12,070 --> 00:32:09,440
this topic

874
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:12,080
and now i don't even think about it if

875
00:32:14,070 --> 00:32:12,640
i'm

876
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,080
comfortable in a conversation with

877
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,559
someone i'll say oh you know by the way

878
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,159
i do this and you know

879
00:32:21,830 --> 00:32:20,720
and it's about 50 of the people i bring

880
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,840
the topic up

881
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:24,240
that i do a show in ufos will say hey

882
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:25,679
you know i had a friend

883
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:28,480
that saw something or or i saw something

884
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,440
or you know

885
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,600
it's it's pretty amazing it's very it's

886
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,519
the comfort level has definitely changed

887
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,720
a lot

888
00:32:38,310 --> 00:32:36,799
i've been laughed i've been laughed at

889
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:38,320
by family members and

890
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,480
associates now for 25 years i'm sorry to

891
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,080
hear that i didn't

892
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,240
come from territory you know and uh but

893
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:48,159
they're not laughing anymore

894
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:51,679
yeah yeah i mentioned i was in

895
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,159
you know my brother-in-law worked at the

896
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,080
los alamos labs and

897
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:58,880
uh he he actually always had an attitude

898
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,440
like hey

899
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:01,440
it could be you know it could it could

900
00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:02,480
happen

901
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,840
that's the type of people we need you

902
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,240
know scientists that uh actually

903
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,519
and there are a lot more scientists

904
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:09,360
coming forward i mentioned

905
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:10,559
tomorrow night i'm going to be helping

906
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:13,279
out with the scu

907
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,480
you know uh the scientific coalition for

908
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,000
uap studies

909
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:21,440
and uh it's full of a hundred some odd

910
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,120
scientists that are now taking this

911
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,720
topic seriously

912
00:33:27,990 --> 00:33:26,799
and a number of them i've talked to said

913
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,000
they never would have done it if it

914
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,679
wasn't for that article

915
00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:32,159
going back to that all right here's what

916
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:33,440
i'm seeing today

917
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,440
from remember keep in mind this is my

918
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,200
fourth film fourth and a half

919
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,919
on the topic of ufos i'm seeing a level

920
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,159
of interest in mainstream

921
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,120
yeah not just media but like household

922
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:46,880
names actors

923
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:50,640
um entertainers

924
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:53,840
uh musicians uh

925
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,640
you know not only wanting to get to

926
00:34:01,029 --> 00:33:58,640
watch the film but are willing to

927
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:01,039
publicly endorse it senator harry reid

928
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,000
publicly endorsing

929
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:04,559
it jim simavan of the cia publicly

930
00:34:08,069 --> 00:34:05,440
endorsing it

931
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:08,079
my goodness vermellon publicly endorsing

932
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,720
it yeah

933
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:11,359
former director of atip at the pentagon

934
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,399
lou elizondo

935
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,560
publicly endorsing it yeah i saw that

936
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:17,440
yeah never seen this happen before

937
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,280
you know awesome yeah and and it's just

938
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:23,599
it's it's a breath of fresh air it's

939
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:25,760
it's a wonderful wonderful thing and

940
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,119
it's very exciting

941
00:34:31,030 --> 00:34:28,800
the other night i was on a podcast with

942
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,040
some astronomers and school teachers

943
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,480
in scotland and you know i'd always had

944
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:36,960
astronomers laughing at me like oh you

945
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,040
know anecdotal evidence

946
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,320
if that at all saying you know this this

947
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,679
this film should be shown in uh schools

948
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,599
this is part of our hidden history

949
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,040
people need to know about

950
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,200
i've never seen that happen before it's

951
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,879
very exciting and it's a

952
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,879
it's an indication that i think people

953
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:56,720
are

954
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,480
and um and the giggle factor is is down

955
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:04,079
to a bare minimum

956
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:08,000
uh it transcends politics and religion

957
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,440
there's people on both sides of the

958
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:11,599
aisle working together on trying to

959
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,440
in you know investigate this and uh i'm

960
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:17,359
very excited for the future i think it's

961
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,960
i think we're living in a very exciting

962
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:20,880
time me too me too

963
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:23,920
yeah that's great um i'm going to uh

964
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,720
run your uh your trailer for those who

965
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:28,880
have not uh seen it yet this particular

966
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,440
one

967
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,040
and then we're going to take calls after

968
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:32,640
that perfect so

969
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:37,670
i knew this was breaking news for the

970
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:44,160
front page of the new york times

971
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:47,359
we need to accept that we are not alone

972
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:51,119
in the universe the federal government

973
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:52,079
all these years

974
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:55,680
has covered up everything it's very very

975
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,960
bad for our country

976
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:01,280
there have been visitation crashed craft

977
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,480
material recovered

978
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:04,800
it was not anything from this earth all

979
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:10,829
the public has a right to know there's a

980
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,640
tremendous resistance

981
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,119
i guarantee every one of them knows that

982
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,680
this event happened

983
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:19,599
hiding these dark secrets even from

984
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,920
elected presidents

985
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:23,680
they came running up here in such a

986
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:26,800
panic child can't make

987
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,720
declassified government documents

988
00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:31,680
confirm ongoing ufo incursions

989
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:34,320
at nuclear weapons sites are you saying

990
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:35,599
that there's some evidence that still

991
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,240
hasn't seen the light of day

992
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,920
i'm saying most of it hasn't seen the

993
00:36:54,390 --> 00:36:41,760
light of day these things are

994
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:54,400
real they're here this is happening now

995
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,349
you know that i bet that trailer took

996
00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:03,040
four months to put together or something

997
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:03,520
like that

998
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,400
probably you know i gotta say quickly uh

999
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,079
there's a gentleman dan farah

1000
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,640
who produced ready player one with

1001
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:12,000
steven spielberg

1002
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:16,079
he's very mainstream guy and he's been

1003
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:19,040
quarterbacking all the pr he took a

1004
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:20,720
version of the trailer that we spent

1005
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,240
like yeah four months or so on and he

1006
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,240
trimmed it down and added quotes he did

1007
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:28,000
a fantastic job

1008
00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:30,079
and he continues to do a fast a

1009
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,440
fantastic job

1010
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:34,240
uh promoting this whole film and uh

1011
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,880
we're just

1012
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:37,280
so lucky to have him on board but yeah

1013
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,160
that trailer is

1014
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,880
a result of his work yeah we got calls

1015
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,400
coming in like crazy here

1016
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,760
so i'll take the first one in just a

1017
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,520
second but i wanted to say that

1018
00:37:51,190 --> 00:37:47,680
chris mellon was on i interviewed him

1019
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,200
first in the topic of ufos back in 2016

1020
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,480
and he's he's so he wasn't as

1021
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,800
anywhere near as comfortable back then

1022
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,640
as he is now he seems like he's really

1023
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,000
comfortable in his own skin when he's

1024
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:02,400
talking about this

1025
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:05,839
this topic yeah i mean i i didn't i

1026
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:09,359
didn't hear of him back in 2016 but

1027
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:12,000
you know i can tell you one thing that

1028
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:13,040
was kind of funny

1029
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,400
that you probably learned about in the

1030
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:17,359
film i was interviewing gordon cooper in

1031
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:18,320
the 90s

1032
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,160
yeah you know as a citizen and

1033
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,839
evidently right around the same time

1034
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:25,200
gordon cooper was in the white house

1035
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,720
talking to president clinton telling him

1036
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,440
about that

1037
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,119
that footage that he handed over over

1038
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:31,760
landed flying saucer

1039
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:34,800
edwards air force base circa 1957

1040
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:37,839
and uh and and chris was going after

1041
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:38,320
that

1042
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:43,119
capacity we were laughing about it

1043
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,920
because

1044
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:45,440
i was like oh i was interviewing him in

1045
00:38:48,470 --> 00:38:46,960
the 90s he goes oh yeah well he came to

1046
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:48,480
the white house and we thought you know

1047
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,480
and i actually went after that footage

1048
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,240
to find it so that was kind of a cool

1049
00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:55,040
god wouldn't that be something you know

1050
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:55,839
it is somewhere

1051
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:58,320
still i'm sure uh we have philip calling

1052
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,040
from michigan

1053
00:39:06,069 --> 00:39:02,480
philip welcome to the show hi martin

1054
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,079
hi james i just want to say

1055
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:09,200
to begin with that i'm a big fan of this

1056
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:09,680
movie

1057
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:13,280
i liked probably 90 percent of it

1058
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,160
however i just have to chime in on a

1059
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:17,760
couple things that

1060
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,320
disturb me greatly and that is well

1061
00:39:25,030 --> 00:39:22,720
first of all i'm an analytical chemist

1062
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:25,040
and i have been for the last almost 40

1063
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:25,920
years

1064
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:29,280
and i watched the segment where you had

1065
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:30,240
a biologist

1066
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:33,920
doing imaging mass spec of

1067
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:37,280
your mystery metals and that's not the

1068
00:39:40,790 --> 00:39:38,560
way to do that

1069
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:40,800
that's i think any analytical chemist

1070
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:42,160
that watch that would say

1071
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:45,280
where's the metallurgist where's the

1072
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:48,560
the uh tof mass spec

1073
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,760
with iron coupled plasma i mean

1074
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,359
that's how to do these kind of things

1075
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,119
and the other thing is

1076
00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,160
this analysis doesn't take

1077
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:01,359
days weeks or months it can be done

1078
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:03,760
in minutes so i'm just kind of wondering

1079
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,800
first of all

1080
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:07,440
why is this taking so long and why

1081
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,720
aren't you having an

1082
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:11,760
having real analytical people doing this

1083
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:12,319
instead of

1084
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:15,040
biologists i mean i love them but they

1085
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:16,480
really don't know

1086
00:40:21,109 --> 00:40:19,599
what they're doing so having said that i

1087
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,119
tried to get this to

1088
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,000
lee spiegel before this movie even got

1089
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,440
released

1090
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,720
he blew me off because he thought i

1091
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:28,800
hated the whole topic which i don't

1092
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,319
martin knows me i i am a believer

1093
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:34,880
but it's one of those things that makes

1094
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:35,440
it look

1095
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,640
weird when it's done in that way

1096
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,240
so you probably know more about this

1097
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:42,000
than i do by the smile on your face so

1098
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,480
i'll

1099
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,760
shut up and let you answer so thank you

1100
00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:48,960
yeah so what i do i'm not a scientist i

1101
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:52,000
although i can tell you that that

1102
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:55,280
section was a bit longer

1103
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:58,640
and more analytical but then

1104
00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:02,000
stanford and jacques

1105
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:03,920
wanted to wait for peer review and be

1106
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:07,119
written up in a scientific journal

1107
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:09,920
before anything definitive was any

1108
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,000
definitive conclusions were drawn

1109
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,640
and and so we had to scale back and tone

1110
00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:17,359
that section down as just a tiny tease

1111
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,920
and so that's ultimately was you know

1112
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,440
all it ended up being

1113
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,359
so it's like hey this is going on in the

1114
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:24,480
lab

1115
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,800
uh right now the preliminary results are

1116
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,400
encouraging but we're not willing to

1117
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:30,000
make any definitive statements

1118
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,440
or further analysis until you know it

1119
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,040
could be cross-examined

1120
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,960
and written up in a scientific journal

1121
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,319
and peer-reviewed

1122
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:40,000
so that's about what i understand on

1123
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,920
that on that case

1124
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,920
but you'd have to talk to jacques and dr

1125
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:45,680
nolan to get a more

1126
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,119
detailed uh i'm not sure they would want

1127
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,200
to talk to me but my

1128
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:54,160
my issue is this is really really simple

1129
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,359
science

1130
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:58,319
which it always befuddles me every time

1131
00:42:02,790 --> 00:41:59,880
i hear about

1132
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,800
metamaterials it's like something way

1133
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:03,920
out there that you

1134
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,560
can't know unless you do exhaustive

1135
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:08,079
tests well i've

1136
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:10,240
spent decades in the laboratory doing

1137
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:12,240
isotope ratio mass spec

1138
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:14,319
it's not that hard it can be done in

1139
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,599
moments

1140
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,599
the data should be out on this which

1141
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,040
makes me

1142
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,800
i don't want to use the word suspicious

1143
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:22,079
but it's strange

1144
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,839
and i'll just leave it at that because a

1145
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:25,119
lot of other people want to call i'm

1146
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,520
sure

1147
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:27,839
yeah we have like eight people waiting

1148
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,599
and thanks for the last time

1149
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:32,319
all right phil thank you thanks phil all

1150
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,280
right we have uh

1151
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,319
andy from connecticut hi andy welcome to

1152
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,000
the show

1153
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,800
hi guys i'll make it real quick um just

1154
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,480
want to congratulate james and i hope

1155
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:44,720
this is paying off for him financially

1156
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:47,040
for all his hard work and uh kind of a

1157
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:48,560
two-part question

1158
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,400
uh was he able to get any uh pertinent

1159
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,839
information that he can

1160
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,160
at some point release with the chinese

1161
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:57,760
airport incident

1162
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,040
among jiao gua and then also

1163
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,160
is there any uh plan in the near future

1164
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:05,440
for any kind of a mini

1165
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,640
or tv series on some streaming streaming

1166
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,079
service or what have you

1167
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,800
and i'll get off the phone and uh let

1168
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,319
him answer and let you take the other

1169
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,200
calls

1170
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:18,079
good show guys thank you thank you so

1171
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:18,720
you know

1172
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,800
i went to china as i mentioned earlier

1173
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,480
and i did look into the hmong job walk

1174
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,000
case i interviewed

1175
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:26,400
one of the primary leading experts on

1176
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,359
that case

1177
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,440
i didn't actually meet the the witness

1178
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,720
but what i found particularly

1179
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:32,240
interesting that i tried to squeeze it

1180
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:33,119
in the movie

1181
00:43:36,950 --> 00:43:35,040
is that that happened the same year as

1182
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,960
ruiz zimbabwe it was a landing case it

1183
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,319
was a close encounter

1184
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:40,400
of the third kind case and there was

1185
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,520
also messages

1186
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,920
of environmental destruction related to

1187
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,079
this gentleman mong jookwa

1188
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:49,119
um so i found the parallels fascinating

1189
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,079
and uh

1190
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:52,480
i spent months with the chinese

1191
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,440
translator

1192
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,040
and putting this whole segment together

1193
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,119
and unfortunately there just

1194
00:44:01,430 --> 00:44:00,160
simply wasn't room so that is a case

1195
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:01,440
that i would like to focus on in the

1196
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,920
future

1197
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,079
along with like a lot of other cases

1198
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:06,160
that ended up on the head room floor

1199
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:10,720
so yes uh there's a lot more to come

1200
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:13,760
excellent uh we have

1201
00:44:21,589 --> 00:44:18,160
gary coming from columbia south america

1202
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,670
thanks for having me martin how are you

1203
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,040
and james doing

1204
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:27,839
doing well wow south america you're my

1205
00:44:36,309 --> 00:44:33,510
yeah no i'm the second i've called

1206
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:36,319
before but no big deal

1207
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:39,599
okay right so you got a question a

1208
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:42,400
question for james

1209
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,160
yes mr fox um i've purchased uh

1210
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,160
the film the minute i could it came out

1211
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:50,560
on amazon prime before i could find it

1212
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,760
on itunes

1213
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,599
the only thing i wanted to know is how

1214
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:55,680
can i get some subtitles for the film my

1215
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:56,480
girlfriend is

1216
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,520
uh obviously colombian and she's uh she

1217
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,720
doesn't speak english

1218
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:02,079
thanks so much i'll take the answer off

1219
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:04,240
the air thank you

1220
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:07,760
garrett garrett so yeah so

1221
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:09,839
uh thank you by the way thank you very

1222
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:10,880
much for that

1223
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:14,400
if you go to my website it features a

1224
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:16,240
number of links

1225
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,359
that offer in different countries don't

1226
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,280
quote me but i think it's vimeo but

1227
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,280
again go to my website and click the

1228
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:24,319
links

1229
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,550
dot www.thephenomenonfilm.com the

1230
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:34,960
phenomenon film

1231
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:38,160
dot com and there are a number of links

1232
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,000
from around the world with translations

1233
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:41,920
it definitely has portuguese in spanish

1234
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,480
so

1235
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,800
i again i think it's vimeo but you'll

1236
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:47,119
have to check

1237
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:50,000
all right great uh next we have derek

1238
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,680
calling from washington dc welcome to

1239
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,440
the show derek

1240
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,920
hey thank you guys um just want to

1241
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,880
congratulate

1242
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,079
james i know it's been a huge

1243
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,520
undertaking i've been following ever

1244
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:01,520
since i think first film i know what i

1245
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,319
saw

1246
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,240
and um just two really quick questions i

1247
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:05,920
know you have some additional features

1248
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,960
that didn't make it

1249
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:09,200
have you ever thought about possibly

1250
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,240
doing a

1251
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,720
um like a second release that's just

1252
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:14,240
online or something that has all of the

1253
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,280
footage that may not

1254
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:17,839
been able to make it in and then lastly

1255
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:19,680
uh just wanted to say have you

1256
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,760
also in the first film i know what i saw

1257
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:22,880
there was a um

1258
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:25,119
interesting ufo that was captured like

1259
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,800
over a military base or something have

1260
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,240
you ever done any follow-up to

1261
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,920
kind of determine what that was because

1262
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,839
i think it was also analyzed by some

1263
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:32,960
professionals

1264
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,960
that did special effects and so forth in

1265
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,319
hollywood and that's

1266
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,720
it i'll take my uh listen off to the air

1267
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:39,599
thanks you guys

1268
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,119
thank you derek you so much so to answer

1269
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:45,440
your question in terms of

1270
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:49,200
content on the internet floor that

1271
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,440
uh you know our next project clearly is

1272
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,920
going to be something much more

1273
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,520
and we are in talks with a number of

1274
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,680
people regarding doing that i i

1275
00:47:00,950 --> 00:47:00,400
i'm still suffering from ptsd from this

1276
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:00,960
one

1277
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:04,160
i can't believe you don't cover i will

1278
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:04,880
recover

1279
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:10,480
some footage over a power line i believe

1280
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,400
that's what you're referring to

1281
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,720
i thought that was part of out of the

1282
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:17,520
blue but i could be wrong

1283
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:19,599
but um we had it analyzed by industrial

1284
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:21,200
light and magic and they determined that

1285
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,240
the object was

1286
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:25,040
there in frame as to what exactly it was

1287
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,800
it was a disc shaped object

1288
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:29,359
i i couldn't tell you but um that's the

1289
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:29,920
analyst

1290
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,119
the analysis that i had done

1291
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:36,400
interesting wow okay we have

1292
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:40,160
jim calling from british columbia hi jim

1293
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:43,040
hi martin i just want to make suggestion

1294
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,400
that somebody

1295
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:47,599
write a glossary of terms words and

1296
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:48,800
acronyms

1297
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,920
use mythology in the paranormal period

1298
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,559
because

1299
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,200
um there's there's often confusion

1300
00:47:59,990 --> 00:47:57,520
people talk about different dimensions

1301
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,000
which are actually different universes i

1302
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:02,480
think like nearby parallel universes

1303
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:06,880
and i'll just say that much thank you

1304
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:10,800
oh all right thank you for that comment

1305
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:14,079
yeah um interesting um yeah

1306
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:15,440
before i take the next call i just

1307
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,240
wanted to ask you are you

1308
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:21,119
you and it's it's terrible i i was gonna

1309
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:22,960
i had thought about asking you

1310
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,079
um if this is it for the ufo

1311
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,280
films for you i mean um you know i know

1312
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:31,599
when you take something like this on you

1313
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:33,520
know you put your life into it and all

1314
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:34,960
the struggles you have and everything

1315
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,839
like that

1316
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,319
and you probably have said to yourself a

1317
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,400
thousand times i'll never do this again

1318
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,359
when you were doing this film um but are

1319
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,559
you getting pressure

1320
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,960
from people hey i know you have other

1321
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,559
footage you know what are you going to

1322
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,839
do with it are you going to do something

1323
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:51,520
with it

1324
00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:54,880
every every minute of every day

1325
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,839
from all over the world yeah all i can

1326
00:49:03,109 --> 00:48:59,920
say is one thing i have learned

1327
00:49:04,870 --> 00:49:03,119
from the past and i've said this after

1328
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,880
every film i've ever done

1329
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:07,920
is never again uh but fortunately you

1330
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:10,960
suffer from one suffers from amnesia

1331
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:12,640
yeah after a while because it's almost

1332
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,480
like you know i imagine for a woman

1333
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,520
giving birth if she

1334
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,280
knew how painful it was she wouldn't do

1335
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,040
it again yeah but we get amnesia so

1336
00:49:24,390 --> 00:49:23,599
but uh but i have learned never say

1337
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:24,400
never

1338
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:28,800
that i get that we have

1339
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,720
steve calling from california welcome to

1340
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:32,640
the show steve

1341
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,280
thank you uh hi martin uh james did you

1342
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:37,760
think about maybe recreating

1343
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,640
the best ufo footage you ever seen for

1344
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,960
the film

1345
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:46,240
you know the best ufo footage i've ever

1346
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:46,880
seen

1347
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:50,160
i just talked about it extensively

1348
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:53,599
on the richard dolan show and it's quite

1349
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,240
a story

1350
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,160
and if you can go find it on youtube i

1351
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,559
just did it like a week ago that footage

1352
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,400
has never seen the light of day

1353
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,640
but it's by far and beyond the shadow of

1354
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:03,440
doubt

1355
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:06,400
the most amazing footage of a flying

1356
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:07,359
saucer

1357
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,150
oh wow um i'd like to talk a little bit

1358
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:17,280
we have we have five minutes thank you

1359
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,480
for the call steve

1360
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,880
thank you steve the story takes about 20

1361
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,839
minutes

1362
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:24,400
oh can we get a real short condensed

1363
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,950
well let me ask you this is there any

1364
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:32,480
chance that this

1365
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,000
uh film will come to light um

1366
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,359
i've been trying for 25 years and

1367
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:41,119
let me put it this way you could have

1368
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:42,559
hit it with a rock

1369
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:45,920
that's how close it was and and you have

1370
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:49,040
confidence that there's in no way is uh

1371
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:52,000
any type of hoax or anything like that

1372
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:52,880
100

1373
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,720
what i saw was the most amazing thing

1374
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:56,079
i've ever seen times a

1375
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,390
yeah well i'm thinking when when when

1376
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:03,520
you say this

1377
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:06,559
that it just seems to me that it could

1378
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:08,400
be a game changer film

1379
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,920
and why wouldn't um whoever has that

1380
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:13,680
film in their possession

1381
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,599
wanna change the game and and get that

1382
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,400
out there your guess is as good as mine

1383
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:22,000
yeah wow i i literally told the story

1384
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:23,760
on richard dolan you can you can google

1385
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,160
it on youtube and watch it it's the end

1386
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:27,599
wow you're gonna make me listen

1387
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:35,589
no but it's it's a crazy story crazy

1388
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,240
stuff yeah

1389
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,880
wow all right well we have one more call

1390
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,920
and we'll make it a

1391
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:42,400
quick one here we have uh steve calling

1392
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:43,200
from washington

1393
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:46,800
welcome to the show steve hey james hey

1394
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,040
i enjoyed your movie i just want to ask

1395
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,599
i got your next movie lined up for you

1396
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:53,040
you've already done 80

1397
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:55,599
of the work on it and it is i want to

1398
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:56,720
know

1399
00:52:00,470 --> 00:51:58,480
how they managed to orchestrate the

1400
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,480
flare drop the night of the phoenix

1401
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,520
lights

1402
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,680
just an hour and a half after all your

1403
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:05,200
witnesses and i know what i

1404
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,400
saw said that crap went over at 8 30 at

1405
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,359
night

1406
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:11,839
i want to know how they orchestrated

1407
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:12,960
that

1408
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,160
huge flare drop just an

1409
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,079
hour and a half later and you've already

1410
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,319
done so much of the work on it

1411
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:23,760
it seems like such a clear you know

1412
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,640
mystery yeah well you know i'm hoping

1413
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,079
you'd take that on

1414
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,800
yeah that that sighting started i think

1415
00:52:34,309 --> 00:52:32,000
around 5 p.m

1416
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:34,319
up way to the north so they would have

1417
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,040
actually had

1418
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,640
more than an hour and a half they would

1419
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:38,480
have had several hours

1420
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:41,520
right and it was it wasn't known it was

1421
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:42,079
going through

1422
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,839
phoenix maybe they saw the trajectory

1423
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,520
who knows but point being

1424
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:50,160
what a genius thing for them to do yeah

1425
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,240
i mean talk about it

1426
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,480
i've thought of that yeah absolutely

1427
00:53:01,030 --> 00:52:56,079
brilliant

1428
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,040
yep dirty tricks i hope you take that on

1429
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,079
anyway god they're dirty tricksters

1430
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:05,760
aren't they

1431
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,599
hey steve thanks for the call thanks

1432
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,319
steve yeah thanks guys

1433
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,040
all right well um we have just two

1434
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:15,280
minutes so if someone wants to see the

1435
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,680
film

1436
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,280
you've given out the website a couple of

1437
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:20,160
times it's in also in the show notes

1438
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,720
and uh you're gonna take a breather i

1439
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:24,319
hope aren't you james

1440
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:28,400
i i i really hope so

1441
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:31,599
yeah and i i will say this uh

1442
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:35,839
film is available to rent as of today

1443
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:38,880
so it's a lot less expensive if you

1444
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,480
buy the film you must try and get

1445
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,720
the bonus material because i put three

1446
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:45,520
hours of

1447
00:53:50,150 --> 00:53:48,319
sizzling bonus material in the package

1448
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,160
so you'll get five hours almost

1449
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:52,400
of material for 19 whatever or maybe

1450
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,280
it's 15 bucks

1451
00:53:56,870 --> 00:53:55,200
something like that but you can only do

1452
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:56,880
it from i think you

1453
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:59,680
i i i yeah is that correct that is

1454
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,400
correct

1455
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,559
yeah so and i love the fact that you had

1456
00:54:07,670 --> 00:54:04,640
ollie your boy ollie reading

1457
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:07,680
that's so awesome you ready i love

1458
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,800
oh and by the way please

1459
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,680
use good speakers we had a dolby 501

1460
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,280
surround mix from

1461
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,160
here he spent weeks on that film you did

1462
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,839
all that work on the audio and it never

1463
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,280
made the theater it's a shame

1464
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,559
because you're going to be in theaters

1465
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,640
yeah that's right james take care thanks

1466
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,160
so much

1467
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:28,400
it was really awesome thanks for having

1468
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,280
me all right

1469
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,160
you bet all right everyone so uh if

1470
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:33,760
you're on youtube you want to jump over

1471
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,440
to our next youtube

1472
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,640
uh show over there and uh we'll be back

1473
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:40,880
next week for those of you just watching

1474
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:42,400
this with uh

1475
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,079
mike um oh god

1476
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,720
he was uh i can't believe i forgot his

1477
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:49,920
last name

1478
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,079
mike he was the uh driver of uh

1479
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,359
travis walton's truck what is his name

1480
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,520
mike

1481
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,839
heston i know his middle name is heston

1482
00:55:04,870 --> 00:55:03,119
rogers thank you

1483
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,880
all right that's who it is he'll be on

1484
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,720
next week all right everyone so we'll

1485
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:08,160
see you over at the others

1486
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:10,970
the other show or keep your eyes to the

1487
00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:18,839
[Music]

1488
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:21,160
sky